Bookstaber: The question with default
swaps is whether the people holding them are leveraging them to the extent that
they don’t quite understand what risk they have, and what small event might
trigger a liquidity crisis.  | JUST BY the very nature of how the market is designed, you are going to end up having another
crisis. —Richard
Bookstaber | The same is true, though with a much longer timeframe, with
housing. If for some reason interest rates go up and all of a sudden the housing
sector softens, people will suddenly realize that their mortgages are going to
cost them twice as much as their monthly paycheck and—by the way—their house
isn’t worth what it was worth last year. Then you have a slow-motion cascade.
People who were banking on the value of their houses as their savings for
retirement have to dip into their stocks instead. Then you have everyone
liquidating stocks, and that is a big problem. If the stock prices start to drop
as a result of all the selling off, you have to liquidate even more. Berman: But I don’t see housing and
credit as being the problem, because they pass what we might call a "predictive
stress test"; everyone is ready for the crisis and runs their stress scenarios
to ensure they can survive those events. The problem lies in the word
"surprise." A real risk is something that people are not expecting. People have not, for instance, been running scenarios on what
happens when oil prices unexpectedly go down to $30 a barrel. I pick oil, but it
could be any of the commodities people have been investing in. How many people own
oil that do not need it? A lot. A lot of investors have wealth that was created
by the run-up in oil, and if oil falls, that wealth disappears. The same is true
for companies. There is not a chance in the world that Exxon is prepared for $30
a barrel. Another development no one is expecting is a stronger U.S. dollar.
Worth: Is there any
likelihood of a stronger dollar soon? Bookstaber: Oh yes. It has nothing to
do with the trade deficit. If I were God, I would have a stronger dollar,
because developing countries need as much help as possible in speeding up their
export growth. Glassman: You have to ask yourself why
central banks in other countries are buying dollars. Well, if you choose not to
hold those dollars, your currency is going to rise against the dollar. Guess
what that means if you’re China? If your currency rises, dollar-denominated
companies such as Liz Claiborne and JPMorgan don’t want to invest in projects in
China anymore. The Chinese know that a stable currency to the dollar is in their
interest at this stage of their development. There will be a point when China
won’t be buying U.S. Treasuries, but this is a development story, and it will
take several decades. Roubini: I think there are many good
reasons why the Chinese, at some point, are going to stop holding dollars, and
their currency is going to appreciate. The longer they wait and the more they
accumulate reserves, the more an appreciation is going to cause a capital loss
on their dollar reserves. If they have $1 trillion in U.S. dollar reserves, will
they let their currency appreciate 20 percent and suffer a $200 billion loss?
The biggest risk is that the Chinese let the yuan appreciate
rapidly, which would cause a dollar free fall. They are getting worried about
their economy overheating. If they raise interest rates with their current
exchange rate, they will be in trouble, because they will create an active
investment bubble that eventually can lead to a hard landing. Therefore, it is
in their own national interest to let their currency appreciate and slow down the rate in which they
accumulate currency reserves.
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