How does your fund trade off this view?We haven’t targeted housing stocks specifically. What I think people don’t
understand is the way the housing bubble is linked to the rest of the economy
and the way in which it’s linked to consumption. The fact that we have a 0
percent savings rate is driven by the housing boom, because people don’t feel
they need to save when their house prices go up every year. And so there are a
whole set of repercussions from a macro view.
The way to see the housing
slowdown is as a deflationary shock. When the bubble ends, it’s like the ATM
machine in everybody’s house gets turned off. Money will be scarcer, prices will
fall. From late 2000 to late 2002, the inflation rate fell off by about 3
percentage points, and we’d expect something like that to happen, maybe even
more, with respect to the end of the housing bubble.
If you think about
which financial investments will do very well in that world, the most
straightforward are 30-year U.S. government bonds. Now, the 30-year bonds are
probably the least favored investment in the world today. You have all these
different ideological camps with different views on the fixed-income markets,
but they all come out with the same answer: 30-year bonds are awful.
| One really big question is what would happen if the price of oil fell sharply.
All of a sudden there would be no petrodollars supporting the financial
markets. | You have
a flat yield curve today. The “Goldilocks” people, who think that the economy
is perfect, say it’s going to go back to a normally shaped yield curve and
probably move up by maybe 100 basis points—so you don’t want to hold 30-year
bonds; you should have your money in stocks. You also have people who say
there’s inflation in the pipeline, the Fed’s way behind the curve and it’s going
to have to tighten more, and the bonds are going to sell off. And a lot of the
inflation people also think there is going to be a dollar collapse because the
current account deficit will cause Japan and China to sell bonds, so you really
don’t want to hold bonds. And then you have the deflation people, like Pimco’s
Bill Gross, who believe the Fed will cut the short rate very quickly if housing
crashes, and then the yield curve will steepen. Economically, you might get
deflation, but politically, we will get inflation because Bernanke’s going to
print money—the helicopter money scenario.
Now under what scenario do 30-year
bonds actually do well? I think they do very well when the economy slows,
housing slows, but oil prices stay high—and therefore the Fed can’t cut rates.
You then get a massively inverted yield curve and a relentless rally at the long
end. It’s the deflation scenario without the helicopter money.
So Bernanke will have to keep short rates high to defend the dollar? That’s exactly what happens. You don’t want to ease, because the risk is that
if you ease, the dollar weakens and the oil price goes up tremendously.
Therefore you’ll see a housing collapse and a recession with no monetary
easing. What about political pressure on the Fed to cut rates— the man in the
street probably doesn’t understand the link between short rates, the dollar and
the price of oil. Most people think politics will force the government to print money. But I
think the politics are actually very unclear. The Fed’s fairly independent.
Remember, Volcker raised rates in ’79 to ’82 to deal with the last big oil
crisis; we ended up with 10.8 percent unemployment by early ’82 and the worst
recession since the 1930s. And arguably the oil situation is more out of kilter
this time around than it was then, because in the ’70s there was no real
shortage.
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